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      CommentAuthorSpode
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2009
     

    So let's assume that Windows 7 is everything that it is touted to be. In fact, let's go one further – let's assume it's the perfect, nay definitive Windows OS. Does this really change anything?

    I've been saying for a while, and still strongly believe that what people need now is a computer that can boot quickly and give them a web browser as soon as possible, almost (but not quite yet) a cloud specific OS.

    The operating system doesn't matter any more, it's becoming as high-level as the BIOS – you won't care what's under there as long as you're presented with a browser. So it makes sense that what you're running is cheap, secure and fast. So we'll take Linux then – free is about as cheap as it gets, it's definitely the most secure, and the latest full blown Ubuntu still boots in around 20 seconds. With 15 Million computers affected by the recent Worm attack on Windows, I'm sure glad I've got Linux under my belt.

    One of the few reasons you'd use Windows over Linux, is for gaming. Windows 7 hasn't changed that fact. What Windows 7 does give you is an upgrade path for current Windows XP users. So in reality – Windows 7 looking great is in part due to how bad Vista was – is that something to be wowing at?

    I don't see manufacturers not offering Linux netbooks in the near future, partly due to price (even XP added £30 on and they practically give it away) and also because people want choice.

    So if Windows 7 matters as little as I think it does (although the masses of BBC coverage would argue otherwise), what should we be worrying about? It has been, and still is the issue of browsers. Making cross browser compatible websites is still a pain and holds back the creativity of those trying to make decent Web 2.0 applications. But waiting for everyone to comply to the latest standards is why we're still stuck in the dark ages with no variables in CSS rendering or a standard way of allowing Web 2.0 applications to become desktop resident, as examples.

    What really makes one browser different from another is interface, plugins and security. Rendering is such a non-issue that Microsoft may as well give in and just adopt an open-source renderer such as Gecko or Webkit. Hell – that's what Google did and you certainly can't suggest that Chrome is the same as Safari – there is plenty of scope for making it your own. They would be saving themselves a lot of work as the open source community would implement the standards for them. Why re-invent and screw up the wheel?

    If internet technology is to move forward, it's the browser war that needs to be taken care of – not the underlying Operating System. I want to sit here and suggest that Microsoft would never make a move like this, and I'm probably right. But occasionally I see something, like the "we're not cool enough to support your operating system" message to Linux users trying to run Photosynth, or the way they have been improving the Windows port of PHP to run with IIS, that makes me wonder if they are starting to think "if you can't beat them, join them". Unfortunately, the cynic in me thinks that the message was done by a clever PR person trying to get Linux users to like Microsoft more and the PHP compatibility goes very much in Microsoft's favour as it means they don't lose customers over to Apache.

    So what do I think of Windows 7? I have Vista running under VirtualBox on my Ubuntu machine and it's dead slow. Windows 7 under the same VM (512MB of RAM) was super fast and I really liked some of the changes they made to the interface – this time for a reason, rather than just for the sake of it. So it's an obvious improvement over Vista. But it's not going to win me over and I would say the same for most Linux users, so I would hardly call it a “Linux Killer”. Most people like the idea of a free, open, secure operating system but are put off by the transition. If you have made that transition, why turn back? So Windows 7 will at worse impede uptake of Linux.

    Windows 7 isn't a bad operating system, and that can only mean good things for the industry as a whole. So if you haven't done already, go and crap a copy - you've only got until February 10th :)

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    Agree with you completely about the desire to simply switch and surf.

    Haven't tried Windows 7 (yet) but not a fan of Vista (is anybody?).

    I'd love to think that the operating system doesn't matter any more but the problem is that damned installed base and the barriers it presents to creativity as you describe.

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    Adopting web2.0 solutions over an installed application is a practice close to my heart, having undertaken my "Digital Nomad" project last year. I proved that it was possible to conduct regular computing operations entirely through your browser.

    @mbites said it today, checking off his to do list: "Twitter, RSS feeds, Yammer, Email all read" - all these activities are possible through a browser, whilst three out of the four could have been done through an installed client. One could argue that he's different to the average computer user: working in tech journalism he might be more aware of the power of a browser.

    However, this morning I sat behind a Macbook user, and couldn't help but watch his habits. I'm not a Mac person, but I once helped set up a brand new Mac Mini, so I recognise how Mac OSX looks and behaves out of the box. This guy had not customised anything, aside from putting a sports car as his wallpaper. He was using Google Docs to take notes, but toggled to various other tabs in Safari - Facebook, Hotmail and BBC Sport. The only installed application he was running was MSN Messenger. This guy later pulled a Nokia N95 from his pocket - definitely not a fanboy.

    Just to be sure this browser based behaviour wasn't a one-off, I called the least technically minded person I could think of. I asked her what she does on her computer, on an average day. "I only click the "e" on my desktop and check my Hotmail and Facebook". After a couple of further questions, I figured out she uses Windows XP on her 4 year old laptop.

    Cloud computing offers a reliable base to build a homogeneous experience that also enables sharing of information yet preserves our choice for privacy. Based on my end user findings I'd say that the power of a browser has already penetrated the consumer space and is recognised and adopted by multiple tiers of user.

    The areas not yet developed by the web2.0 space are mostly specialist and corporate/business focused. For example, there are still no viable alternatives for audio and video editing; and as for company in house ERP / EDI systems, databasing and back end operations, I think both a web2.0 solution and its adoption are a long time from coming. Be encouraged by the work of firms like Swirrl, who will hopefully gain adoption and with that the attention of other programmers and developers willing to give this sort of work a try.

    By the way, should anyone close to Apple read this - a suggestion that came from an innovation seminar I attended was to build a way for iTunes to work through any web browser. That came before the question - if Apple pride themselves in being specialists in graphics and touch, why was it Microsoft that released Surface?

    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     

    Internet Explorer is still better than Firefox & Co in just one respect: it prints web pages better. Everything else at MS is junk.

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    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     

    If it didn't matter, why does the Linux community worry so much about it that several articles appear every day saying that it does not matter and Linux is already better than Windows 7 blah blah. I'm not a Windows fanboy but this Windows-Linux war is starting to get (if not years ago) a little too much kindergarden.

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    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     

    Every new version of Windows was supposed to be the be-all, end-all, makes-everything-else-obsolete blockbuster that would make everyone swoon and worship the operating system gods of Microsoft. Based on past performance, we can already tell what Windows 7 will be: a bloated, unreliable, insecure, standards-breaking piece of crap. You can take that to the bank.

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    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     

    M$ is a multi-millonaire company that is supposed to release only high quiality software, but WTF was Vista? It should be ilegal to release such type of crap!
    And if Win7 is still the same kernell as Vista, then in the inside, it's the same bullshit :)

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    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2009
     

    Until the biz-ness twerps that are making the purchasing decisions decide to pull the ms-nipple out of their mouths nothing will change. They will all sit around their big conference room table and spout that W7 is much better than Vista and deem it time to do a refresh. This refresh will get paid for by the same dweebs laying off the grunts that said "if you switch to Linux you can have your cake and eat it too" but were ignored because that would require said dweebs to *learn*.

    It's the paradigm factor folks. Until the old (current biz-ness dweebs) get replaced with the new nothing will change. And it might not even then since the new may be as clueless as the old.

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    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009 edited
     

    If it didn't matter, why does the Linux community worry so much about it that several articles appear every day saying that it does not matter and Linux is already better than Windows 7 blah blah. I'm not a Windows fanboy but this Windows-Linux war is starting to get (if not years ago) a little too much kindergarden.

    Actually, if you look around, the "Windows 7 as Linux on netbook killer" posts on various blogs are mostly by Microsoft shills, and yes Microsoft is very worried.

    http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_layoffs_netbooks_sales_are_killing_us

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    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     

    Some of you spouting off about the crap that is Windows 7 haven't even booted it. You know how I can tell? You're CLUELESS comments!

    I'm a linux guy. Been using it since 2001. I'm using it right now. But before I went to spew across the web what a POS Windows 7 was, I did something novel.

    I DOWNLOADED THE BETA!
    I INSTALLED IT!
    I spent THREE DAYS fighting with it.

    Here's the thing. It's not as good (for me) as linux. It's not as flexible and can't do the things I do with linux. But I WILL defend it against stupid, uninformed zealot comments like you folks are making because, get this ...

    WINDOWS 7 IS POSSIBLY THE BEST WINDOWS MICROSOFT HAS MADE YET.

    Doesn't mean it won't be an ungodly security nightmare. Doesn't mean it won't spawn untold legions of spam-spewing botnets. Doesn't mean it will come with a web browser that can actually render it's way out of a wet paper bag. (19/100 on ACID3?? COME ON!!! Adopt-a-rendering-engine already!! Yours SUCKS!) Doesn't mean I'll switch to it. Doesn't mean I'll use it or like it. And it certainly doesn't deal well with some hardware more than two or three years old. Video cards in particular.

    But it's a very different and improved beast from Vista. I had a hard time getting it to use over 509MB of RAM. It was responsive. (Dang near as fast as Ubuntu Intrepid on the same OLD hardware. Sempron64 2500+/1GB RAM) If I HAD to use Windows, I'd be okay with 7.

    IT'S NOT THAT BAD!

    And it REALLY pains me to have to say it.

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      CommentAuthorSpode
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     

    Microsoft bashing gets nobody anywhere, and just damages the Linux name. But it feels like looking at some of the comments that you haven't even read what I've had to say, and rather used this as an opportunity to mouth off.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28039226/?pg=7#Tech_JerkGadgets

    Fair amount of truth in this.

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    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     

    I've been futzing with 7 inside a virtualbox machine on my ubuntu 8.10 rig. And its not bad. If I were a KDE fan, I'd actually be a little miffed, as it reminds me a LOT of KDE. -lol. Speed is damn impressive for a beta and INSIDE a virtual machine with only 1 gig ram tossed at it max at that.

    As another poster mentioned, I'm inclined to say that 7 is probably the best OS MS has put out there in a long long time. (still give the crown to win98 imho for that honor).

    As a linux user, nope, there's no way I'll be switching as the interface is cramped still, virus checking is necessary, and a lot of the other legacy problems with windows are still there, BUT if I were a pure windows user with no linux background, this OS would be a DREAM upgrade from XP. It is what Vista should have been and wasn't.

    Comparing Ubuntu with 7, ubuntu wins hands down in a lot of categories, with #1 being FREE and open, but I give major kudos to MS programmers who appear to have gotten their stuff in one sock finally.

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    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     

    I don't want cloud computing. I want *my* data to be on *my* computer and/or *my* USB key. I want *my* data to run on *my* software on *my* computer. I don't want getting things done to be dependent on my internet connection and some server a thousand miles away. I don't want my data to be in someone else's hands. Cloud computing solves a problem I don't have while handing me new ones. I'm far from the only person with this perspective.
    Plus, it has to either cost me in money or cost the economy as a whole in still more drag by too many $$$ spent on advertising.
    The only reason for server-oriented computing is if my bosses want all the employees to have a standardized setup for ease of administration. This is a reasonable reason for an administrator, but there's no reason for a home user to want such a thing, and there's very little reason for an administrator to outsource to the "cloud" instead of retaining local control with a local server.
    There *are* reasons for *vendors* to want cloud computing. Ask me if I care.

    Windows 7 is probably fairly irrelevant. But cloud computing isn't why.

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    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     

    You make a bunch of excellent points, one might even start to suggest that "the network is the computer"... oops, sorry, that's been taken!

    Linux is an outstanding alternative to the proprietary operating systems for most common tasks today. Even in a field as specialized as A/V integration I can think of only one or two remaining tethers to Windows.

    But not every field has that luxury! My alter ego likes to spend time writing and recording music. And I've been playing around with Ardour and the rest of the pack (I use Planet CCRMA these days) for almost as long as it's been around.

    Part of me would love it if a complete tool set were available under Linux. But part of me knows that the pain and suffering required to learn an entirely new set of tools is not something one contemplates with any level of joy, no matter what the benefits. So I'm not sure I'd switch for an equivalent set of tools... I know I'd switch if all my tools were ported, but I don't see that happening in the near future.

    FWIW, my studio does have a Linux computer because that provides access to all sorts of experimental tools and off-beat solutions. But it is not yet a replacement for my winders box. I should also mention that I have been testing Windows 7 (64 bit) and it is far superior, in terms of stability and performance, to VIsta's initial release. I stuck with XP, but Win7 might get me to change the OS<G>.

    Windows 7 won't cause many to switch from Linux, but it might slow the migration to Linux a little, and that's a shame.

    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2009
     

    I think it does matter, if Windows 7 &amp; Vista with it's DRM gets a large installed base they will try to leverage that.

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      CommentAuthorSpode
    • CommentTimeApr 1st 2009
     

    I can't believe MS is actually doing what I suggested and incorporating Gecko + Mozilla Plugin support to IE8.1...

    http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/31/breaking-internet-explorer-81-eagle-eyes-leaked/

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    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     

    &quot;Making cross browser compatible websites is still a pain and holds back the creativity&quot; - I don't see that; I've been (hand)writing HTML that works across browsers for years. (A bigger pain is sites that do something that _won't_ work except in just one browser, just so that some gimmick they don't need - a mouseover button-press, or something similar - will work.)

    As for the browser becoming the interface to everything - Gues 28 Jan put it very well: &quot;I don't want cloud computing. I want *my* data to be on *my* computer and/or *my* USB key. I want *my* data to run on *my* software on *my* computer. I don't want getting things done to be dependent on my internet connection and some server a thousand miles away. I don't want my data to be in someone else's hands. Cloud computing solves a problem I don't have while handing me new ones.&quot; I want to use my own email prog.; I also want to use ye olde usenet, which &quot;forums&quot; are killing.

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    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     

    Believe me Linux is almost dead, virtually there are no takers for Linux except students in their engineering courses or some geeks as Linux is not favorite of big corporates .

    As far as my experience is concerned i graduated in times of Unix and DOS .when windows3.1 was introduced it came as breeze with its nice GUI despite its shortcoming and extreme difficulty in writing graphic based programs for it, however windows has traveled a lot since then and is improving continuously.

    I may ask the question what is the purpose of OS (Just interacting with your Hardware and devices and Providing a file mgmt based on Permissions all this in a effortless and user friendly manner) of course not to forgot ability to support a good compiler and programming environment.

    Sorry to say linux has failed on this front ( ability to access Hardware and good applications to run)

    MS has always been innovative remember their wizard concept which made installation of prog. and configuring hardware devices possible for even a non-tech person possible (not easy)

    No Os is perfect if right hardware is choosen windows is more stable and secure than its Linux counterpart.

    Windows has always been made keeping big corporate in mind the kind of configurabilty it provides for network environment and ability to lock it down to prevent misuse ( leave the exploits). there are no question of exploits in linux as it does not support many things. ( first you need to support before being exploited).

    Another reason why linux is dead when I ran into problem I could not find any help in contrast to great pain taken by MS in writing their KB article. We must admit every user of Linux is not techy or has sufficient time to do the reinvent the wheel kind of research when things are changing so fast.

    last but not least Linux has no standard no support except that it loads and run faster this become irrelevant when highly compact codes ( without much input data validation) may result in unexpected shutdown and financial loss and lack of Linux expert kids.

    If a survey is done you will find many user are running non-genuine windows than freely available Linux same could be said for MS Office user though Openoffice is available for free , reason is very simple user find them difficult to use.

    however a fast browser is needed on windows platform .

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    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2009
     

    I don't know anyone who is a fan of Vista. They made a very bad mistake. It is the newer Windows Millennium: everyone knows it existed, but who cared about it? The difference ist that Millennium (WinMe) at least was not so hard on the users' eyes, ran very fast and used the same hardware. Vista does not crash as much, but you must change basically all the hardware you are used to using, and they are expensive stuff sometimes. When WinMe ran on 256 Mb of RAM, Vista needs 4 GB to run as smoothly. And the confirmations, oh, God, those stupid user confirmations!!!! And setting the rights (user/admin) became just as complicated as the file management structure. Where XP made simple adn secure Vista screwed up. What about the XP file/folder structure that lays as hidden files/folders underneath Vista? You cannot access it. But what are they doing there in the first place? MS people could not be creative enough to be able to remove them? C'mon, Vista is an improvement?????

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